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SaintDanny · Dec 19, 2006, 09:28 PM // 21:28

Ive been reading a bunch of differant articles and reviews about GW which was compared to WoW (of course)
and i am STILL sticking with GW (just incase of loopholes)

Now, they said that WoW mainly focuses on Leveling up and such.
Whereas, GW Focuses on PvP Play (which is awesome)

By my question to you is:

Can you still Level up and upgrade stuff like that in GW?
i know its a silly question,. but i was starting to become concerned. Because they never mentioned anything like that

Thank you to anyone that replies. =]

Kamatsu · Dec 19, 2006, 09:53 PM // 21:53

- All PvE character's start at level 0(or is it 1? can't remember.. LOL) and need to level up to level 20.
- PvP character's start at level 20 but without unlocking anything will only have a basic set of skills to use as well as no weapon/item/armor upgrades, runes, etc
- You can unlock these upgrades, runes, skills via Balthazar Faction, which you get by beating people in PvP. Or you can play through PvE and as you learn new skills or id new upgrades, runes, etc they will be unlocked for PvP play.

DeanBB · Dec 19, 2006, 09:57 PM // 21:57

Both. A PvE (roleplaying) toon starts at level 1 and levels to 20. A PvP toon is instantly level 20 and has max gear.

The game isn't about grinding for levels though as a majority of the content is aimed at level 20 characters.

SaintDanny · Dec 19, 2006, 10:06 PM // 22:06

Okay well, For example.

Im playing PvE and get my char up to 20... then what?
can i take THAT SAME character, with all his abilities and skills and equipment and bring it to PvP?

KANE OG · Dec 19, 2006, 10:09 PM // 22:09

You can also spend a few bucks in the online store on your PvP character to unlock all the skills....... if that's your preference.

Kamatsu · Dec 19, 2006, 10:16 PM // 22:16

For a PvE character once they get to level 20, there is always:

- Finish the storyline :P
- Go and cap all the elite's
- Gain more skill points (1 per 15K xp) and unlock every skill
- Gain titles like Tyria/Cantha/elona explorer/protector, etc
- go farm for gold
- Start collecting skins of weapons, focii, shields, etc that you like
- etc

And yes, you can use your PvE character in PvP.

DeanBB · Dec 19, 2006, 10:20 PM // 22:20

As I said already, "a majority of the content is aimed at level 20 characters."

Reaching level 20 is more of the beginning of the story than the end.

Epinephrine · Dec 20, 2006, 03:48 AM // 03:48

It doesn't appeal to those who want to continually "level", or for those who like bullying through superior gear/level advantage.

Having all max items and max level attainable puts the focus on skill with build making and play, with communicating and so on. You don't win in PvP by being 5 levels above a guy or having the uber-leet boots of butt-kicking, but by being better.

In PvE you do level up, but you get new skills throughout play, and thus you expand your repetoire. You can branch out and switch secondary as much as you want, until you have all 1000+ skills from the 10 current classes to choose from (for example, my ranger started as a ranger/monk, but often plays as a ranger/warrior, ranger/assassin, ranger/paragon - you can unlock many combinations for your characters, and play various roles that way). You can set your own goals or go for the ones ANet has set out for you (for example, survivor, cartographer and other such titles, including one for playing the game "drunk" (in-game alcohol making your view of the world dizzying.)

Basically, there's a lot to do, and it's not all about level, it's about what you do with it and how you play.

Cybergasm · Dec 20, 2006, 05:48 AM // 05:48

This game is... well, unique. Kind of like the retarded kid with the sunflower hat that likes to lick bar peanuts. The game is difficult... but mainly because the monsters are overpowered and travel in packs. You can play without parties, but you have to revert to henchies who eat half the drops you get making the whole thing quite pointless.

The game has about ten worthy weapon mods everything else is merchant food for all except the 2% who try to be innovative (and I applaud them for it). After a certain point the only thing that matters on the side of PVE is how weapons look. If you are into PVP then you can get through half of the PVE game and have everything you need stat wise. There are some elite skills you will have to play the whole (or most) of the game for, but, if you feel like you'll accomplish anything by doing it then you are wrong.

The experience you gain in pve can be used to buy skills for pvp, but if you like the latter then there is no reason (besides elites) to touch the pve since you can get everything else with points.

I've been playing this game since the Alphas and have started to just now realize how pointless it really is. You will enjoy the game at first- that is for sure. You will love it. Hell, i spent a weekend doing nothing but playing it.

Within a few weeks, however, you will find that there is absolutely nothing worth doing that is left to do. Sure, you can waste hours getting titles, but, why? So they can grant you the right to put a string under your name? Yeah you can do quests, but again, why? To buy skills? Out of the multitude of skills there are maybe 15-20 for each profession that will actually be used because people in this game will only follow pre-made cookie-cutter builds; who can blame them? There really is only one way to beat most of the areas, and if you're not in one of those ways, then you're screwed.

You will also go through a phase wondering what the difference is between a gold weapon and a purple weapon of the same stat and skin, guess what, nothing! People seem so desperate to get something out of the game that they turn to little things like those.

Something you will really find annoying is how the game prides itself on having no grinding and being open to the common player when it is so obvious that all this game does is present the same grind in a less fun and less obvious manner. Instead of spending ten hours farming rats- or whatever- you'll be killing the same boss with henchies for a week to get his green, but guess what, you have a less then a 3% chance of that happening because the henchies are stealing your loot. You can solo of course, but then you have to grind the cash to get the runes and skills for the one build that can do it solo.

That is what I have to say about guild wars. It is definetly a fun game, but it gets tedious. I still play it- surprisingly- I just feel this is something everyone should realize. Ultimately this was more for me to vent my frustrations with the game- I'm sorry.

MegaMouse · Dec 20, 2006, 06:13 AM // 06:13

Granted there is some grind in Guild Wars, but it is still fun trying to beat that one boss that decided that you taste pretty good. I have been known to go after bosses that have given me high DP (death penalty), just for the satisfaction of killing them. That is part of the challenge, beating the odds as they are stacked against you.

Mega Mouse

N E D M · Dec 20, 2006, 10:06 AM // 10:06

yeah geez cyber, dont be such a downer man!

If you got bored with gw in a few weeks than wtf. . ..
I have been playing for 11 months now, almost have 4k hrs on O.o and im not bored with it at all

Nickhimself · Dec 20, 2006, 10:15 AM // 10:15

Guild Wars offers you a variety of ways to play the game, each with very nice features to make it enticing to most players.

WoW features farming and grinding. That's it. Everything in WoW is either farmed or grinded out. You farm mats / money / items. You grind exp / honor / faction.

No one goes to Instances to "have fun" in WoW. They schedule Raids that last for hours and hours, usually with at least 2 people falling asleep at the keyboard or going AFK hoping no one will notice...only because they want to be there for the boss fight in the off-chance that a set piece or class item might drop that they have enough DKP for.

In Guild Wars, you can run Tombs, UW, FoW or DoA. For fun. Since items are easy to come by, you don't feel like you have to do something over and over and over again in order to be a better player. This is because GW isn't 100% dependent on gear like WoW is.

In summation: GW > WoW, all day.

Deleet · Dec 20, 2006, 02:50 PM // 14:50

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nickhimself

Guild Wars offers you a variety of ways to play the game, each with very nice features to make it enticing to most players.

WoW features farming and grinding. That's it. Everything in WoW is either farmed or grinded out. You farm mats / money / items. You grind exp / honor / faction.

No one goes to Instances to "have fun" in WoW. They schedule Raids that last for hours and hours, usually with at least 2 people falling asleep at the keyboard or going AFK hoping no one will notice...only because they want to be there for the boss fight in the off-chance that a set piece or class item might drop that they have enough DKP for.

In Guild Wars, you can run Tombs, UW, FoW or DoA. For fun. Since items are easy to come by, you don't feel like you have to do something over and over and over again in order to be a better player. This is because GW isn't 100% dependent on gear like WoW is.

In summation: GW > WoW, all day.

Unless you like to show off.

Epinephrine · Dec 20, 2006, 06:32 PM // 18:32

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cybergasm

I've been playing this game since the Alphas and have started to just now realize how pointless it really is.

What's the point of life? Converting matter into more people? Nearly everything is pointless. Play to have fun.

By your logic, every game is pointless. Counterstrike? Kill people. Again and again. Chess - invest hours to either win or lose, with the outcome being potentially being decided long before the final moves. Etc...

Coridan · Dec 20, 2006, 07:10 PM // 19:10

sound to me like cybergasm needs to have an org... :P

But seriously This game can get tedious/boring/wtfe but What makes it great for those of us that do get periodcaly bored is being able to not play for a few weeks/months/days and then come back and still have their characters..all their golds/shiny stuff what have you and not be out any money due to monthly fees.

Dec 19, 2006, 09:28 PM // 21:28	#1
SaintDanny Pre-Searing Cadet Join Date: Dec 2006	Corpg - Mmorpg Ive been reading a bunch of differant articles and reviews about GW which was compared to WoW (of course) and i am STILL sticking with GW (just incase of loopholes) Now, they said that WoW mainly focuses on Leveling up and such. Whereas, GW Focuses on PvP Play (which is awesome) By my question to you is: Can you still Level up and upgrade stuff like that in GW? i know its a silly question,. but i was starting to become concerned. Because they never mentioned anything like that Thank you to anyone that replies. =]

Dec 19, 2006, 09:53 PM // 21:53	#2
Kamatsu Moderator Join Date: May 2005 Location: Australia	- All PvE character's start at level 0(or is it 1? can't remember.. LOL) and need to level up to level 20. - PvP character's start at level 20 but without unlocking anything will only have a basic set of skills to use as well as no weapon/item/armor upgrades, runes, etc - You can unlock these upgrades, runes, skills via Balthazar Faction, which you get by beating people in PvP. Or you can play through PvE and as you learn new skills or id new upgrades, runes, etc they will be unlocked for PvP play. __________________ Have a moderation related issue or just want to chat? Send me a PM

Dec 19, 2006, 10:16 PM // 22:16	#6
Kamatsu Moderator Join Date: May 2005 Location: Australia	For a PvE character once they get to level 20, there is always: - Finish the storyline :P - Go and cap all the elite's - Gain more skill points (1 per 15K xp) and unlock every skill - Gain titles like Tyria/Cantha/elona explorer/protector, etc - go farm for gold - Start collecting skins of weapons, focii, shields, etc that you like - etc And yes, you can use your PvE character in PvP. __________________ Have a moderation related issue or just want to chat? Send me a PM

Dec 20, 2006, 03:48 AM // 03:48	#8
Epinephrine Master of Beasts Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Ottawa, Canada Guild: Servants of Fortuna [SoF]	It doesn't appeal to those who want to continually "level", or for those who like bullying through superior gear/level advantage. Having all max items and max level attainable puts the focus on skill with build making and play, with communicating and so on. You don't win in PvP by being 5 levels above a guy or having the uber-leet boots of butt-kicking, but by being better. In PvE you do level up, but you get new skills throughout play, and thus you expand your repetoire. You can branch out and switch secondary as much as you want, until you have all 1000+ skills from the 10 current classes to choose from (for example, my ranger started as a ranger/monk, but often plays as a ranger/warrior, ranger/assassin, ranger/paragon - you can unlock many combinations for your characters, and play various roles that way). You can set your own goals or go for the ones ANet has set out for you (for example, survivor, cartographer and other such titles, including one for playing the game "drunk" (in-game alcohol making your view of the world dizzying.) Basically, there's a lot to do, and it's not all about level, it's about what you do with it and how you play. Last edited by Epinephrine; Dec 20, 2006 at 03:51 AM // 03:51..

Dec 19, 2006, 09:57 PM // 21:57	#3
DeanBB Forge Runner Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Arizona Guild: Wizardry Players Guild, http://4guildwars.7.forumer.com	Both. A PvE (roleplaying) toon starts at level 1 and levels to 20. A PvP toon is instantly level 20 and has max gear. The game isn't about grinding for levels though as a majority of the content is aimed at level 20 characters.

Dec 19, 2006, 10:06 PM // 22:06	#4
SaintDanny Pre-Searing Cadet Join Date: Dec 2006	Okay well, For example. Im playing PvE and get my char up to 20... then what? can i take THAT SAME character, with all his abilities and skills and equipment and bring it to PvP?

Dec 19, 2006, 10:09 PM // 22:09	#5
KANE OG Banned Join Date: Oct 2005 Guild: Ogmios Graybeards Profession: W/	You can also spend a few bucks in the online store on your PvP character to unlock all the skills....... if that's your preference.

Dec 19, 2006, 10:20 PM // 22:20	#7
DeanBB Forge Runner Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Arizona Guild: Wizardry Players Guild, http://4guildwars.7.forumer.com	As I said already, "a majority of the content is aimed at level 20 characters." Reaching level 20 is more of the beginning of the story than the end.

Dec 20, 2006, 05:48 AM // 05:48	#9
Cybergasm Frost Gate Guardian Join Date: Jan 2006	This game is... well, unique. Kind of like the retarded kid with the sunflower hat that likes to lick bar peanuts. The game is difficult... but mainly because the monsters are overpowered and travel in packs. You can play without parties, but you have to revert to henchies who eat half the drops you get making the whole thing quite pointless. The game has about ten worthy weapon mods everything else is merchant food for all except the 2% who try to be innovative (and I applaud them for it). After a certain point the only thing that matters on the side of PVE is how weapons look. If you are into PVP then you can get through half of the PVE game and have everything you need stat wise. There are some elite skills you will have to play the whole (or most) of the game for, but, if you feel like you'll accomplish anything by doing it then you are wrong. The experience you gain in pve can be used to buy skills for pvp, but if you like the latter then there is no reason (besides elites) to touch the pve since you can get everything else with points. I've been playing this game since the Alphas and have started to just now realize how pointless it really is. You will enjoy the game at first- that is for sure. You will love it. Hell, i spent a weekend doing nothing but playing it. Within a few weeks, however, you will find that there is absolutely nothing worth doing that is left to do. Sure, you can waste hours getting titles, but, why? So they can grant you the right to put a string under your name? Yeah you can do quests, but again, why? To buy skills? Out of the multitude of skills there are maybe 15-20 for each profession that will actually be used because people in this game will only follow pre-made cookie-cutter builds; who can blame them? There really is only one way to beat most of the areas, and if you're not in one of those ways, then you're screwed. You will also go through a phase wondering what the difference is between a gold weapon and a purple weapon of the same stat and skin, guess what, nothing! People seem so desperate to get something out of the game that they turn to little things like those. Something you will really find annoying is how the game prides itself on having no grinding and being open to the common player when it is so obvious that all this game does is present the same grind in a less fun and less obvious manner. Instead of spending ten hours farming rats- or whatever- you'll be killing the same boss with henchies for a week to get his green, but guess what, you have a less then a 3% chance of that happening because the henchies are stealing your loot. You can solo of course, but then you have to grind the cash to get the runes and skills for the one build that can do it solo. That is what I have to say about guild wars. It is definetly a fun game, but it gets tedious. I still play it- surprisingly- I just feel this is something everyone should realize. Ultimately this was more for me to vent my frustrations with the game- I'm sorry.

Dec 20, 2006, 06:13 AM // 06:13	#10
MegaMouse Wilds Pathfinder Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: south mississippi Guild: Warriors Of Melos WOM Profession: E/N	Granted there is some grind in Guild Wars, but it is still fun trying to beat that one boss that decided that you taste pretty good. I have been known to go after bosses that have given me high DP (death penalty), just for the satisfaction of killing them. That is part of the challenge, beating the odds as they are stacked against you. Mega Mouse

Dec 20, 2006, 10:06 AM // 10:06	#11
N E D M Desert Nomad Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Officer's Club Guild: Gameamp Guides [AMP]	yeah geez cyber, dont be such a downer man! If you got bored with gw in a few weeks than wtf. . .. I have been playing for 11 months now, almost have 4k hrs on O.o and im not bored with it at all

Dec 20, 2006, 10:15 AM // 10:15	#12
Nickhimself Krytan Explorer Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Your face Guild: True Gods Of War [True] Profession: W/Mo	Guild Wars offers you a variety of ways to play the game, each with very nice features to make it enticing to most players. WoW features farming and grinding. That's it. Everything in WoW is either farmed or grinded out. You farm mats / money / items. You grind exp / honor / faction. No one goes to Instances to "have fun" in WoW. They schedule Raids that last for hours and hours, usually with at least 2 people falling asleep at the keyboard or going AFK hoping no one will notice...only because they want to be there for the boss fight in the off-chance that a set piece or class item might drop that they have enough DKP for. In Guild Wars, you can run Tombs, UW, FoW or DoA. For fun. Since items are easy to come by, you don't feel like you have to do something over and over and over again in order to be a better player. This is because GW isn't 100% dependent on gear like WoW is. In summation: GW > WoW, all day.

Dec 20, 2006, 07:10 PM // 19:10	#15
Coridan Forge Runner Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: US Guild: Old Married Gamers {OMG} Profession: W/	sound to me like cybergasm needs to have an org... :P But seriously This game can get tedious/boring/wtfe but What makes it great for those of us that do get periodcaly bored is being able to not play for a few weeks/months/days and then come back and still have their characters..all their golds/shiny stuff what have you and not be out any money due to monthly fees.